>> it's wednesday, november 6th. and who's got the power? ♪ i've got the power >> the rhetoric of reform is becoming the reality of reform and we're not going back. >> this race was a referendum on obama care. >> you go around and say a lot of biologically stupid things. >> the tea party isn't nearly as much fun as it sounds. >> you sent a message, virginia would continue the mainstream bipartisan position. >> despite being outspent by an unprecedented $50 million -- >> a lot of cuccinelli supporters a little bit bitter. >> this race came down to the wire because of obama care. >> republicans out of virginia. >> thank you, new jersey, for making me the luckiest guy in the world. >> i have never seen a more explicit launching of a presidential campaign. >> maybe the folks in washington, d.c. should tune in -- >> hey, washington, look at me! >> i sought a second term to finish the job.

now watch me do it. >> how long can a hot seat stay hot? >> madam secretary, i repeat my request for you to resign. >> the president heading to dallas tonight. >> i've got one more campaign in me. ♪ as the election day dust settles, president obama is picking up the pace in what he calls his last campaign. to make sure the affordable care act works for everyone. right now, the president is on his way to dallas, where he'll thank the volunteers helping people to sign up for coverage. he's also expected in the next hour or so to call on texas governor rick perry to take the money, already, and expand medicaid, a move that would qualify another 1.2 million people for coverage and cut the state's uninsured rate by more than half. the highest uninsured rate in the nation, by the way. a statistic that was clearly foremost in the mind of texas senator, john cornyn, as he grilled hhs secretary, kathleen

sebelius today on capitol hill. >> we know that lying to congress is a crime. but unfortunately, lying to the american people is not. >> oh, no, i'm sorry. that was senator cornyn calling the president a liar. the senator had exactly nothing to say about covering the uninsured in his state, which is pretty much the republican position nationwide. take virginia tea partier extraordinaire ken cuccinelli who branded his strident race as a referendum on the affordable care act. >> tonight you sent a message to the president of the united states that you believe that virginia understands that obama care is a failure and that you want to be in charge of your health care and not the government. >> right. supporters of the kuch sent that message somehow through his loss last night to democrat, terry mcauliffe. to be fair, it was a tighter

race than anticipated. mcauliffe winning by just two-and-a-half points after being up six in a quinnipiac poll monday. if health care was a part of that tightening gap, cuccinelli can blame his own far right ideology for his loss. according to exit polls, 50% found the personhood promoting, anti choice, anti union, anti environment, anti sodomy candidate too conservative. gee, i wonder why? but wait, there's more. only 28% expressed support for the kuch's beloved tea party. and as dnc chair woman debbie wasserman schultz told our own chuck todd, the problems in virginia may be just beginning. >> and this is way more than just a win being a win. this was significant. a few years ago, if you were around a pundit table, there is no way chuck todd would have predicted that in 2013 virginia would be as close to reliably blue in statewide elections as -- >> is that what you look at? >> we're getting closer and

closer. >> closer and closer. let's get right to our panel now. with us from washington, matt lewis "the daily caller" and here in new york, democratic strategist, professor bob shrum. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> bob, i want to start with you. virginia turning reliably blue? >> i think there's -- i think virginia is a purple state tending blue. i think if republicans keep nominating people like ken cuccinelli, if they go into, for example, next year's senate race with mark warner, nominating someone like that, that warner is going to win and he's going to win anyway. he's going to win hands-down. look, there's an endless parade of self delusion on the part of the republican party. they think if they keep saying obama care, obama care, obama care, they're going to win these things. now, in that exit poll last night, only 24% of people said obama care was the most important issue. and those folks basically split down the middle. what i think undid cuccinelli was that he's out of the mainstream, he lost moderates by

a huge margin. he relied on the notion that the romney campaign relied on, that, for example, there was going to be a falloff in african-american turnout. african-americans actually turned out to be 20% of the electorate, a higher percent of the electorate than they are of the population. >> you know, matt, about cuccinelli's loss, you write the story we tell ourselves could have major implications. so if cuccinelli said that this was a referendum on obama care, what's the story republicans are telling themselves about his defeat? >> well, look, i think right now there is a campaign to assign blame. and so the tea party folks are blaming the establishment, right? the rnc four years ago gave $9 million to bob mcdonnell. this year they only gave $3 million to ken cuccinelli. that's just one example of how the establishment the republican party didn't support cuccinelli to the degree that maybe they should have. conversely, you're having the establishment blame the tea

party, and, look, i think there is a good argument that says that the shutdown really did hurt ken cuccinelli, it hurt him because a lot of virginians and northern virginia, especially, are government employees. but also because it kept the obama care debacle from becoming the big story. i mean, imagine if starting october 1st you would have an entire month of stories about the website not working. that might have helped ken cuccinelli coming down the stretch. >> do you buy that, bob? >> no, i don't. because when you look at those numbers, 53-46, opposition to obama care among people who voted in virginia yesterday. that's just not a big enough margin, especially when the people who thought it was their top issue didn't care that much about, and they split down the middle. so i don't buy that. i think matt is right, though, that there is a real blame game going on in the republican party. there are people blaming chris christie receipt now. he was asked to go down there and campaign for cuccinelli, and he refused. he won that big victory yesterday. now he's out there saying

conservative, conservative, conservative, every chance he gets. he may pull in his own distinctive way. but i think he's going to have big trouble when he gets to the tea party dominated republican primaries 2016. >> and matt, that gets to a question he was going to ask you. you know, the support that terry mcauliffe got was not only financial, but big-time political. he had the president, the vice president, and, of course, his good friends the clintons. and you know, cuccinelli's top strategist says they were abandoned by the gop. is that true? >> i think they were abandoned late in the game. i think that, you know, there were really two reasons for that. right? i think partially it's because people like winters and they don't like the stench of losing. and so it -- everybody thought that cuccinelli was going to lose by double digits. a week ago. and so i think that a lot of -- it's almost like the bank won't loan you money unless you don't need it. the republican party, i think, did abandon him at the end and he might have won. he only lost by two-and-a-half points. there was other people, though, who abandoned him like the chamber of commerce.

you know, four years ago, they gave $750,000 to bob mcdonnell, the republican running. this time they gave no money to cuccinelli. and i think honestly, that was a backlash against the tea party. against ted cruz and other elements. right now there's this civil war, and i think that the chamber and other parts of the republican establishment have decided, they're not going to put up with the tea party anymore. and they're going to stand up to him. >> and so do you think that cuccinelli's loss is the beginning of the sort of death necessari deathnell for the tea party? >> i think it's indicative of the civil war and schism taking place on the right right now. we've seen with other issues, the nrsc and mitch mcconnell have blackballed a company called jamestown associates, which produces ads that run for the senate conservatives' fund that attack moderate and establishment republicans. that i think ken cuccinelli was caught in the cross fire of this civil war between the establishment and the tea party.

and it's really unfortunate for him, because he could have won. it was such a close race. >> so, last question to you, because i'm going to bring this conversation back to the clintons, because all political conversations come back to the clintons. and so now after we've had this election in virginia is richmond now the de facto southern headquarters for hillary clinton 2016? >> there is certainly no question that the governor mcauliffe is going to be strongly for hillary clinton. she worked hard for him, so did bill clinton. if she wants the nomination, i think it's almost impossible for someone to deny it to her. i think she looks like in all the polling you see the strongest general election candidate, the guy had gives her the best run for her money is at least before he romneyizes himself is the governor of new jersey. but i don't know, as i said earlier, i don't know that he can get by. i mean, he committed the mortal sin of standing with president obama after hurricane sandy. a lot of people will never forget that. he criticized the government shutdown. that had a lot to do with what

happened to cuccinelli and cuccinelli made the chamber of commerce an enemy in his own. he opposed the investments and transportation that the business community wants in virginia. >> and another sort of kiss of death for governor christie is the phone call that he took. congratulatory phone call he accepted from the president of the united states. so that's another thing that the tea party is going to have -- >> you know it was a funny night. it was the night of grudging concession speeches. barbara buono in new jersey, cuccinelli, this tea party guy in alabama. who wouldn't even endorse the opponent who beat him. it reminded me of a guy who lost a primary in california for the state assembly, dick tuck, who said the people have spoken oh the blankety-blank. at least he was funny. >> and i have to grudgingly say goodbye to you, professor bob shrum and matt lewis in washington. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. coming up, the quick fix to every glitch. hit reboot. kathleen sebelius today attempted to do just that. we'll talk to one of the senators she faced on capitol

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an i.t. official in charge of key elements of the health care website rollout tendered his resignation today. the announcement followed the fifth congressional hearing into the pains of the healthcare.gov rollout. and what we learned from number five is the difference about what an gers democrats and republicans about its failures. democrats, for instance, told secretary sebelius they want fixes and accountability. >> as someone who has fought and bled for this and who sincerely

thinks it's going to work in the long run, i want you to hold a count. i want you to burn their fingers and make them pay. >> hmmm. i don't think torture is allowed. but your objection is duly noted. republicans, on the other hand, aren't interested in burned fingers, or even facts. they're just interested in scalps. >> senator, could i answer the question? >> if you can answer whether it's true -- >> i will tell you what the statistics mean. >> i'm asking whether it's true or not. >> i would like to tell you what the statistics mean. >> would you answer my question and then -- >> she did answer. she said you were inaccurate. >> joining us now, democratic senator, ben cardin of maryland, a member of the senate committee that questioned secretary sebelius. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> so today your colleague, senator cornyn, all but called president obama a liar, while politico published a fact check of the president's, quote, if you like your plan claim.

so simple question. is the president a liar with his pants on fire? >> no, he's not. if you look at what has happened in records regards to the individual insurance market, much of this is about insurance companies that have changed their plans or who have such sub par policies they offer very little protection. so we're talking about the individual market, and we're talking about now having not only affordable health plans available, but also quality plans that will provide the protection that people need. >> next week, senator, we get our first look at how many people have enrolled. however, secretary sebelius tamped down expectations, saying the number would be, quote, very low. so what do you say to the inevitable republican criticism that is -- that this will be more proof the law doesn't work? >> first of all, we're disappointed with the way the way the website has worked. people have not been able to shop and enroll the way they should be able to. secretary sebelius is confident that it will be up and running at the appropriate service level by the end of this month.

that still gives us until march on the open enrollment and gives us until mid december for policies to be effective on january 1st. so it's too early to judge the success of the first year enrollments. but we did get off to a poor start there. is no question about it, we're disappointed about it. this law has been around for thee years. a lot of it has been implemented in a very orderly way. people are happy by many of the provisions in the laws that have become effective. and they're going to be very happy that the preexisting condition exclusions gone and they're going to get value for their premium dollars or rebates from the private insurance companies. so i think as this goes forward, there's going to be people very pleased by the -- this latest part of the affordable care act, getting insurance, particularly in individual markets through the exchanges. >> so president obama, as you know, is in texas to sell his plan. earlier today, he met with democratic senators up for re-election next year about the health care law rollout. now, how big a danger do you think is this issue for your

party right now? >> i think at the end of the day, americans are going to be very satisfied with the affordable care act. i remind people all of the time how things were before we passed the affordable care act. how many people lost their coverage or got increases in premiums or had problems with their insurance companies, because they didn't cover what they thought was being covered. we have a long time between now and next november. and we expect that by then, the exchanges of what's happened in the beginning will not be a major issue, because people will have their coverage and we're going to see that, in fact, people have much better quality health coverage than they have today. >> last question. commentators, including jon stewart, have made the point that republicans have a much bigger problem with statements of facts about the health care law. so why does this seem like the democratic party is paying the bigger price? >>el with, you know, the -- it's very interesting. we talked about this before. in the previous times that we have rolled out major changes,

after the bills have been enacted, we have worked together to make them work. in this case, the republicans have yet to accept the law. they're trying to undermine it. they're using every tactic they can. the end of the day, americans are going to be happy that america at long last is providing affordable, quality, health coverage to all americans. >> senator ben cardin of maryland, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. still ahead, from reforming guns to legalizing weed. oh, and same-sex marriage too. we'll look at some of the other big news from election day. stay with us. ♪

with so much attention focused on a few high-profile races, we here at the "martin bashir show" wanted to note other victories for progress. or on the flip side, defeats for the so-called culture warriors.

in alabama, voters rejected a candidate who sold himself as the ted cruz congressman, a candidate who believes the president was born in kenya. obviously. and a candidate who said that homosexuality in a word is wrong. in virginia, a first for gun reform advocates who celebrated the race supported by michael bloomberg outspent the nra in advertising. importantly, maine, voters approved legalizing small amounts of marijuana, thereby becoming a leader of the legalize it movement on the east coast. voters in the state of colorado, a trail blazer on can bus went one further, approving a hefty tax that will help the government benefit from all that reefer madness. and in what is the most inevitable issue of all, the illinois state legislature approved same-sex marriage in the president's home state. quote, michelle and i are overjoyed for all the committed couples in illinois whose love

will now be as legal as ours, the president remarked. and a friendly reminder to the 35 remaining states, even you, mississippi, don't be late to the wedding. stay with us. the day's top lines are coming up. indeed, fiction can be fun, senator. >> i noticed the left in the little echo chamber is trying to accuse you of plagiarism. >> i think it's a standard no one else is being held to. and politically motivated. >> it's obviously political motivated. ♪ tell me lies tell me sweet little lies ♪ [ male announcer ] this is claira.

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from the fine print to the gross display, here are today's top lines. period. >> we're still working out some of the fine print on our oh new health care system. or as most people call it baraka care. >> we all know by heart

president obama's promise, if you like your plan, you can keep it. >> the president promised the american people if you like what you have, you can keep it. >> the president promised -- >> health care plan. you will be able to keep your health care plan. period. >> period! >> period. >> he said period. >> period. >> personal, i do not think you're supposed to read the punchesation. >> which know that lying to congress is a crime. >> yes, the president was somewhat dishonest. but his opponents have been lying like mother [ bleep ]! >> kills women, kills children. >> you're going to be able to find some people who do not benefit from this law. >> i want you to burn their fingers. >> burnt my fingers, man. >> and make them pay for not being responsible. >> get them this the cross-hairs, and take them down. >> but don't pretend that the old system was cocoon. >> there wasn't any caveat. >> we won't get old or die. >> it wasn't like there were

asterisks or footnotes. >> he's trying to accuse you of plagiarism. >> mix of contrition and defiance. >> i will admit, sometimes we haven't footnoted things properly. >> it started with a speech and then there was another speech. >> i take it as an insult. >> then there was an op-ed, then there was a state of the union response. >> i will not lie down. >> he said of said mistakes were made. >> all right, mistakes were made. >> his attitude was, look, i wasn't deliberately dishonest. we got sloppy. so -- >> all right. that is sloppy. >> let's get right to our handle. joining us now is democratic strategist, angela rye. brian boughtler of salon.com and mckay coppins of buzz feed.com. mckay, the credibility of both rand paul and the president has come into question. but do their critics have a point? >> who would have ever thought there would be a credibility problem in washington, right? no, i mean, look, you have two cases here where politicians are

coming under attack, and are being the subject of a lot of skepticism about their integrity. it's funny to see how both have responded, though. neither one has really risen to the occasion and owned up to it, right? rand paul, in the case of the plagiarism accusations has come out and said, well, you know, it was a minor attribution thing and then as more and more reports started coming out, including from buzz feed, you heard him say, what am i going to be in detention for the rest of my career? which is really kind of a childish way to respond. but then in president obama's case, he's now trying to lawyer it as governor christie said. he's trying to say, well, this isn't exactly what i meant. the period was actually more of a comma and i added more caveats on after. so really i think we could see both of these men would benefit from just owning up to the mistakes and moving on. >> angela, this is what ron fournier of the national journal wrote yesterday. he wrote, worse lines have been told by worse presidents. but this president is toying

with a fragile commodity, his credibility. once americans stop believing in obama, they will stop listening to him. and they will wonder what happened to the reform-minded leader who promised never to lie to them. angela, did the president lie? >> no, jonathan, he didn't lie. i think what we're dealing with here is, you know, the president is often blamed for overcomplicating things. you know, the message that won't sink in, because it has way too many caveats, way too many exceptions. and now we see why he overcomplicates a message. he has trade to overhaul the american health care system, and that's no easy feat by any means. in so doing, he has frustrated the business models for insurance companies. they have benefited for years on creating these premiums, these plans that allow many of us to come in with preexisting conditions, or any other types of health care scares, and they could -- they could tweak the plans and make us pay more, based on what exists. and he's overthrown all of that.

if he would have interfered at all with the existing plans they had, not giving us maternity coverage, excluding someone, then it would have been from the republicans, well there's too much government interference in business. so it wasn't a lie. it was his ideal, you know, change we can believe in kind of a pitch. and who knew that the insurance companies would push back in such a way they would cancel plans. that's really what we're dealing with here. >> brian, let me bring you in on the conversation and go to rand paul for a moment. this is his fix to accusations of plagiarism. he writes, what we are going to do from here forward, if it will make people leave me the hell alone, is we're going to do them like college papers, he said. he also said, he shouldn't be in detention for life. so he clearly thinks he didn't really do anything wrong. come on. do you agree with that? >> he sort -- he's playing this -- this part where he's kind of apologizing for something he claims that wasn't, you know, an error or a problem to begin with.

it's kind of -- it's almost like he's half pregnant with allegations of plagiarism. but he clearly plagiarized. and it's sort of like a weird lie compared to the albuquerque l albuquerque lie because not plagiarizing is an easy thing to do. one step, don't plagiarize and that's it. the obama care lie, like mckay said, they're trying to lawyer it now but a bad example of lawyering from the outset. it wouldn't have been too hard to mad odify the lie just a lit bit to make it accurate. but i think they had a failure of imagination. it was easier to say if you like your plan you could keep it too, because that will be true in 98% of cases. but the 2% for whom it's not true amount to millions and millions of people. and now they're having a hard time kind of squaring what they -- what they -- we're trying to get at with what the reality is. >> mckay, senator paul, you know, is talking about his term papers as leave me the hell alone. and talks about being in detention for life. does he run the risk of sounding a bit like a spoiled teenager?

>> well, i think that you see the frustration building, right? because it wasn't like, you know, every single case of his plagiarism was laid bare all at once. and then he had to just own up to it. it started with rachel maddow and buzz feed and politico. he probably thought he could weather this. the fact is, nobody wants to admit, including senator paul, is that a lot of these speeches and op-eds and even his books, are not really written by him. they're written by staff, right? and so he probably isn't even aware to the extent how much of the stuff that has his name on it has been plagiarized. so he's still learning about it as the rest of us are learning about it, which is why he's so frustrated. >> but, i mean, he's plagiarizing, but it's what he's talking about in all -- he's talking about eugenics. who on a staff says, hey, senator, it's a good idea to keep talking about this? >> well, this has always been a perpetual problem in paul world, including with his father. he surrounds himself with both

very talented and serious political operatives and people who are much closer to the fringe of politics and the right wing fringe or libertarian fringe and he's having to negotiate. ron paul was always famous for never throwing any of them under the bus, never distancing themselves from people who were on the fringe. rand paul is trying to negotiate how to handle this, right? and his problem is that he wants to be a more serious presidential candidate than his father was. so he's going to have to figure out how to deal with these problems. >> hey, angela, what's your take on rand paul, and his detentionness and his wanting to be as mckay said taken more seriously as a presidential candidate than his father was? >> it's hard when you're thinking about copying and pasting term papers in college. not that i did that, jonathan. if you like t senator, you can keep it, but you have to cite it. >> brian, i'm going to give the last question to you. the republicans have already been calling the president a liar.

and much worse to boot. so does it give them that much bang for the buck to keep spouting the same old attack lines against the president? >> i think what they're doing is, they're trying very hard to build pressure on him so he comes out and says, yeah, okay, i overstated the case. or, you know, things didn't work out exactly as i want them to or something so they can make the story the next thing which is that obama care was sold to you on a pack of lies. and i think that -- it's sort of -- it would be -- you know, if obama as a journalist, i would like him to come out and say something like that. but politically, it would make this rollout, you know, a little bit worse for him. and i think that the republicans might have a little bit more credibility as they push the president to do it. if they weren't sort of like the originators of the noble lie and the cause of stopping obama care, right? i mean, obama has this one line about, you know, if you like your plan, you can keep it. but starting from 2009, you had death panels and through today you have -- it's, you know, a wet blanket on economic growth and causing all these, you know, job creators to fire people and

stuff like that. if you put the record of republicans' honesty about obama care up against the president's, i think the president walks away with that one easily. >> hyperbole, i think it's called. i want to thank the panel. thank you, angela rye, brian boughtler and mckay coppins. coming up, could he be the last great hope of the republican party? he sure seems to think so. and doesn't mind the 2016 chatter, either. >> someone asks you if you're going to be a candidate for president of the united states and you're in politics. oh. stop annoying me. and asking me if i'm going to be leader of the free world. come on. anybody who says that is lying. ♪ come fly with me ♪ let's fly let's fly away announcer: where can an investor

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to do small things. i sought a second term to finish the job. now watch me do it. that was governor chris christie last night, explaining to the crowd that he was there to finish the job. and if he can finish the job in less than a full term, all the better, since it would free him up to do other things, like, i don't know, run for higher office. but as governor christie celebrated his decisive victory last night, a victory in which he won the support of both democrats and republicans, men and women, black and white, i'm sure washington was the furthest thing from his mind. >> i know that if we can do this in trenton, new jersey, maybe the folks in washington, d.c. should tune in their tvs right now. see how it's done. >> and if they don't want to watch on tv, perhaps governor christie will have to go down there to show them how it's done himself. or he could have mentioned it to president obama on the phone this afternoon when the president called to congratulate

him on his win. for more, i'm pleased to be joined by msnbc political analyst, and former rnc chairman, michael steele. so, chairman steele. >> hey. >> christie talked about working together, dealing with a crisis. he took some shots at washington. was chris christie's speech last night, really, for real, the start of his 2016 presidential campaign? >> uh, i think there's very little doubt about that. certainly around most circles, both here in washington and around the country. i think you saw the first sal vo and the beginning of the laying of a foundation to make the case. and i think that's really going to be or needs to be the hallmark of his second term, in addition to dealing with the rest of the sandy cleanup and getting those families back into those homes that are still displaced. it's also making the case on governance, making the case on issues that matter most to people beyond the typical

republican social conundrum we often find ourselves in. i think christie started to lay down those markers last nice, challenging washington, pushing the outside of washington. but also showing how he's willing and has reached across the aisle. >> so the way christie is portrayed doesn't necessarily match up with his actual record. take a look at what rand paul had to say about christie last night. look. >> i think the republican party is a big party. and we need moderates like chris christie who can win in new jersey and our party. >> i mean, come on. he's christie's pro life, anti marriage equality. he's against higher taxes for millionaires. and he vetoed a minimum wage bill. so, really, is christie a moderate? >> well, again, another one of those markers laid down by one of his potential opponents last night. and rand paul. senator paul. and we've already seen the dust-up between the two of them. that to me is going to be fascinating. because it really is a matter of

sort of either claiming the traditional mantle of republicanism, conservatism within the gop, which is libertarian at its core. or is it what chris christie is proposing, which is more of a pragmatic conservatism that focuses much more on the bread and butter issues. so that, again, is part of this dance you're going to see unfold, jonathan, over the next not just short, you know, year, but the next few months as this thing begins to wind itself out. >> so it seems to me, michael, that we're looking at yet another ideological battle within the republican party, as we saw in 2012, no? >> yeah, no, i think that's the unfortunate down side here, is that camps will begin to form, and folks will begin to stake out ground on whether or not you are conservative enough or too conservative. and lose sight of, i think, really, what the american people, particularly the people of new jersey and virginia, said

last night, that they're looking for in their leaders. and if we don't get that, jonathan, i think this is going to be a very difficult trudge into 2014. and even more difficult one into 2016, when you'll have the democrats poised with maybe a hillary clinton. standing there, ready to take on all comers. >> so you mentioned her, so let's talk about her. the obvious favorite for the democrats is hillary clinton. who is so popular that an exit poll, michael, i'm sure you know this, found that if the presidential race were held today, hillary clinton would actually beat christie in his home state of new jersey by four points. so do these numbers make republicans wary of the christie -- christie as the unbeatable favorite narrative? >> well, look at it this way. if chris christie is getting 60% of the vote on his re-election in new jersey and losing to hillary by four, what does that say about anyone else who is not chris christie? and so that's going to be a real, i think, struggle, setting

up the candidates for 2016, which is why it's going to be very, very important for the party to get off the stick it's been on in the last three years, talking past voters, alienating them, angering them, and really reconnecting with them in a dynamic way, much as we did in 2009 and 2010, where we weren't worried about the kinds of probes that women need to be concerned about, but more importantly, the kind of jobs those female business owners were trying to create. >> michael, i've got to ask you one more question before i let you go. >> sure. >> we're all talking about chris ca case christie as a republican presidential nominee. on a scale of 1 to 10, given the party the way you know it, scale of 1 to 10, the likelihood of chris christie being the 2016 republican presidential nominee. >> i'm going to go out and say right now, 5. i think there is a lot of energy on the ground for christie and how he manages that becomes very important. >> very interesting. michael steele, former rnc chairman, thanks so much for

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but make no mistake. the people of this city have chosen a progressive path. >> here in new york city, the story of bill de blasio's landslide win isn't a margin of victory or his family's smackdown dance moves but the meeting he had today with the man whose record he ran against, michael bloomberg. you would be forgiven for grabbing your jacket right now, as the meeting between bloomberg and de blasio looked particularly chilly. so much so, the photo has spawned internet memes, including bloomberg as the ubiquitous grumpy cat, i love grumpy cat and mckayla marrony and her famous disapproving scowl. joining us now, a pair of new yorkers, sally cohen, columnist and activist, and who is in studio with me and josh barrow and political editor for business insider, in miami's warmer weather this afternoon.

i know that studio you're in, josh. i'm not -- >> yeah. >> i have nothing else to say to you. sally, let's talk about the win, first. it was the biggest margin of victory since ed koch's re-election in 1985, almost three in four new yorkers chose de blasio. so is this a victory for kenyan socialism, or perhaps is this a race a little more nuanced than de blasio's republican opponent, joe lhota let on? >> if de blasio would be the tallest, whitest, kenyan socialist i've met in my life. this is definitely a shift and interesting shift, both here in new york and interesting shift nationally, where we're seeing younger voters, more diverse voters, the future of the american electorate say, look, we don't want just candidates who are going to worry about the 1% as traditionally both the democratic party and republican party have. we want candidates who are going to be representatives for all americans, for all new yorkers.

candidates for the 99%. and i think we're going to see a great shift in this city of rebalance of that agenda in the past that has been so very biased toward wall street and the rich in our city. >> so josh, what do you make of that? how much of this election was a repudiation of the bloomberg years, all 12 of the bloomberg years? >> well, i think it was a complaint about the fact that so much of the benefits from those 12 years seem to have accrued to people at the top. but i think it's also a reafrica shun of how far the city has come over the last 30 or 40 years. we had all of these mayors' races that were defined by fears over crime, fears over the economic decline of new york city, and joe lhota got no traction because the city is so much safer than it used to be. it's hard to scare people into the idea that some policy change is suddenly going to return to new york to the 1970s or 1980s. so to some extent bloomberg and other mayorses like him, koch and guiliani have a similar

policy thrust to what bloomberg had, partly victims of their own success. people forget how far we came. they focus on a new set of concerns. and i think it's reasonable to shift to a new set of concerns. but i don't think it's right to call it a rejection of what's really quite a good record. >> sally, one of the centerpieces of de blasio's campaign was the stop and frisk. so where -- where do we go now? now that de blasio is mayor? >> well, you know, i think stop and frisk is a great example where his opponents tried to portray him as this sort of radical departure from the, you know, past decades of new york city leadership. you know, he wants to reform police practices in the city, so that they're no longer based on explicit racial profiling. that doesn't mean he wants to get rid of the police department. it's not sort of this extreme shift. similarly, and i'm curious if josh has heard this news. yes, de blasio wants to raise taxes on the rich, worry about development and opportunity in the other boroughs of new york,

but just named as the co chair of his transition team just a few moments ago carl wisebrod, a big player in the development community. it's not like anyone in politics gets to wildly swing one way or another. you kind of have to please everyone. what's exciting about him, the big shift is going to be he's going to be worried about pleasing more people than new york city leadership has in the past. >> what do you make of that, josh, briefly? >> that doesn't surprise me. i mean, de blasio is actually pretty close with the real estate industry and he has a lot of big, expensive things he wants to do. he's going to have to pay for them somehow. the tax increase he ran on is pretty small, not going to pay for everything he wants. so i think he's going to have to be a pro development mayor, more so than mike bloomberg or rudy guiliani was, because that will generate the taxes and fees and property tax revenues that will allow him to pay for universal pre-k and all of the other progressive things he wants to do. >> quick question to both of you. will de blasio be able to get the rents down, sally? >> you know what, i think so. but i do think it's interesting.

it's going to be to josh's point. we're going to see a new era of progressive democrats where they can do economic development while addressing issues of equality. >> josh, will he bring the rents down? >> i think so. i think both residential rents and office rents, which is really key to creating jobs. and the way you do that is by letting people build a lot of stuff. >> sally cohen and josh barrow, thank you. >> pleasure. >> we'll be right back. >> with zero precincts reporting as far as i bothered to research, we are prepared to name bill de blasio the next mayor of new york city, defeating kitten grinder, joe lhota. mayor de blasio, i salute you, and so does my 64-ounce mountain dew. [ cheers and applause ] sir, you've got some very small shoes to fill. [ male announcer ] this is claira.

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